DualJay

Don't go moving the goalposts on me, Guy. I was responding to the erroneous information you provided. He very well might be racist - but I am hesitant to believe that when it comes from his ex-wife. Did the school director corroborate her story? Without actual stuff from the guy, either in writing or on tape, or corroborated stories, I am hesitant to believe. Character assassinations are a dime a dozen these days - such as, I expect, the accusations of kiddie molestation right before the election that were dropped right after. That story stinks of Jackie. The KKK might just like him because he allows views similar to theirs a platform. I'm not arguing that he's not a bad person - I'm arguing that he's on the level of anyone else in politics.

He didn't write those articles. Here are the articles he has written and published on Breitbart (CTRL+F "women"). I believe most of those were written by Milo (presumably, Milo Yanopolus or however it's spelled). Many people believe in giving a platform to all views in support of free speech, even if they disagree with those views. His allowing such articles (assuming he's even the one with the final say) is not damning.

This makes it seem like he's not an actual racist, but just a good ol' fashioned political crony. Can't say for sure, though - but from the handful of articles I read on the guy, it seems like he's just an opportunist.

The only thing that matters now is how this happened. Any other argument is irrelevant to the truth of the situation - it's too late to change it. If we don't like what happened, we need to analyze why it happened and how to prevent it from happening again. Also, the argument moved a fair bit while I was away today, so the post was responding to an older point. Her precise poltical views don't matter too much - she's not charismatic/forceful enough to make people care about her views. All that mattered was that she was a democrat. The two words are both "corruption", which is part of the liberal image that makes it intolerable to the right. Trump is a better politician than anyone (myself included) expected - he played the role that gets him elected, which was hyper anti-establishment. In his interviews, he is much less extreme and primarily seems concerned with state's rights to choose. He is also become more moderate and less hardline now that's he's been elected - recently, he said he spoke with the Chinese president (minister?) and said there was great mutual respect and a desire to work together. As to Pence - I strongly believe he was a deliberate anti-assassination pick. Anyone who wants Trump dead will find Pence intolerable. I don't think Trump genuinely agrees with his opinions. As I said, I doubt his actual beliefs, plans, and policies are reflected in his speeches. I expect them to all be much more moderate than he lets on. If this is the case, that would indicate a greater degree of political savvy than at first apparent. I expect that you're being sensational in saying that he is wholly unfit to lead and is a surefire route to chaos. I also agree that the general political machine is rotten to its core on both sides, but without a united American people willing to reach a middle ground, that will never change. Reaching that state of unity is all that matters. But who can say for sure? Maybe you're right. And for what it's worth - I apologize about the idiot and tumblr argument comments, they did not contribute to the conversation.

Fine, fine. Here's my argument: (1) No matter what the establishment is, some people will dislike it. (2) People tend to group with like-minded individuals. (3) People with more extreme views tend to be more involved and outspoken, because they will typically be more passionate about either change or the lack thereof. By 1, 2, and 3, people will group into factions that are represented to un- and semi-informed outsiders by the most extreme members of that faction. Currently, that's "anti-free-speech bleeding-heart America-hating corrupt socialist cucks" for the democrats and "bigoted racist backwards corporate-owned poor-hating fascist warmongers" for the republicans. Obviously, this is a simplification on both parts. This caused the current party divide, and made an individual like Trump inevitable. The average person sees the other side as intolerable because they see the extremes - the radfem SJWS, the Westboros, the KKK, extreme branches of BLM, etc. This prevents compromise. When their is no compromise, when the nation changes it will change radically towards one direction or the other - and when there is compromise, people don't hear about it. This is because outrage sells papers/gets views/farms clicks. Compromise does not, typically, produce outrage. Thus, people only (or mostly) hear about the intolerableness of the other side. Culture moves in a pendulum - and the farther it swings one way, the farther it swings back. Everyone is a reactionary. Thus, when right-leaning citizens see the "anti-free-speech bleeding-heart America-hating corrupt socialist cucks", they rally and push back - and must support whoever can stop that opposition, which will tend to be an extreme, passionate individual. This is because the more anti-establishment, where the establishment is the current perception of the culture, the more votes they will gather from people who dislike the current culture and the opposition. This is why Trump (who I highly doubt will be a good president) was inevitable, and maybe a good thing to happen. Had any left-leaning politician been elected, the pushback would have been even stronger, and we could have got an actual fascist who would try for gay conversions or whatever - or the extreme leftists would have taken over and abolished free speech. Both the hyper-extremes are bad, so it is better to fluctuate between relatively moderate to somewhat extreme (Trump) individuals of the two parties. People were sick and tired of the left (or rather, its visible extremities), so they went right. In a few years, the opposite will happen. Maybe the average will shift slowly (and it's looking like the average is shifting left), but drastic shifts that society is not ready for will bring only chaos. This is why I think Trump was a better option than Hillary. And now we get to why I think you're being* stupid. And not just you - anyone who buys into the lie that the party is composed entirely or mostly of the extreme and visible individuals and groups we see. That is the reason we have the chaos, the riots, the fear. And those lead to further extremes - and the risk of individuals like Pence, who I believe is utterly intolerable (primarily due to his support of the suicide-factory conversion camps). People need to see beyond that. They need to realize that most people are not well-represented by the vocal extremists in their party. I doubt this will happen unless there is a drastic shift in how the media approaches reporting and how we consume news or a major move away from the two-party system/political parties in general. -------------- And a note towards what Raison's been saying. At first I didn't respond because I thought he was memeing, but now I think he's serious, so I'll talk towards it. Racial divides do not create the issue - cultural ones do. Diversity is a good thing and a bad thing - good because it can lead to greater understanding and cooperation in the long term, but bad because it creates cultural conflicts (which are often violent) in the short term. Look at Japan - ultra homogeneous, low crime. For the bad effects, look at inner city America, which is rife with conflict between impoverished black and white americans. I don't think there is any need to preserve white leadership, but I do think there is a need to preserve traditional American freedom and equality focused leadership. This could be black leaders, this could be Hispanic leaders, it could just still be white leaders - what matters is that they're American leaders. -------------- *Being is temporary in this case. I act stupid all the time. Everyone does. And everyone can change that, or at least try to.

No, Verumae. Don't be an idiot. It's like a tumblr argument because nobody on either side is acting remotely reasonable, and both people are committing ad hominems and building strawmen. C'mon, all of you guys (except maybe you, Verumae) are better than this.

It's like watching a tumblr argument.

You can say that if the courts find him guilty of something. Remember "Jackie" and Mattress Girl?

Count of churches means nothing, dude. I live in a religious part of Texas and have been to a lot of religious functions involving multiple local churches, and not once has there been any sentiment promoting violence against LGBTs.

Rynjin, c'mon man. Take it back a few notches. It's fair to be upset, but the personal attacks aren't necessary.

I can't find any numbers to support it. I'm not saying they're not there - I may just not be able to find them or be using the wrong terms (mostly searches along the line "race crime increase election"). Could you give me a link? You're, what, 23? Middle school for you would have been in 2006. According to Pew, approval for gay marriage was at 35% for then. It's swapped now - 55% for. That's marriage, mind you, so that doesn't include groups who don't think gay marriage is acceptable but would never harm a soul - such as more liberal Muslims or moderate traditional Christians. (I couldn't find statistics on general acceptance of homosexuality and so on.) The majority is on your side. Also, middle schoolers are assholes. -------------- Also, Corvette has a very legitimate point. Do make sure you know how to use it, though, or you're putting yourself at risk.

Are people going to read your mind and detect that you're gay? Hell, even if you go with your boyfriend and hold his hand and kiss him in public, do you think anyone's going to hurt you? Most people aren't deranged enough to actually hurt someone except in self-defense. Okay, it might be a little bit more dangerous. But there's always chaos and crime when any societal upset happens, and I doubt this will be more severe than any other. And please, everyone, stop with the backhanded identity politics. We all know they're bullshit.

Is there any definite link between those shootouts and the election? I don't tend to follow shooting news because it just makes me feel sick. And don't let fear control you - wait for things to happen. Every democratic victory, people buy guns because they're gonna get taken away, and they never do. Hopefully, this will be the same way. Maybe not - I might be wrong - but I don't think there will be a statistically significant rise in race- or sexuality-related violent crime.

C'mon, man. This is 90% fear baiting set up by someone at Texas State, either a left-wing person trying to "start a conversation" or an alt-right moron trolling people. An online search shows nothing (though, granted, that could be because it's new - yet to spread, if you've posted it anywhere else). EDIT: And as to Trump - he was inevitable. Not "him", exactly, but someone intolerable to the other side. When mainstream culture leans right, a far-left counterculture will inevitably appear. The same will occur if the culture leans right. See the hippies And honestly? I think better Trump than the next guy, because the next guy will be farther right, maybe way, way farther right. And maybe he'd be smarter, more aggressive, and more charismatic. And maybe then we'd be in deep, deep, trouble. I am a republican. I supported Gary Johnson to get Libertarian some presence on the ballot, because I could not ethically support Trump. Trump won. We keep moving forward. The pendulum swings. Life goes on.

Don't be, dude. Look at overwhelming media reactions whenever a celeb comes out as gay or trans. Vast majority support. There's no risk of gulags.

Trump has won.

Trump has won.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president we trump now?

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