Rynjin, I know you are someone who loves stealth, so let me just tell you this. Stealth in Payday is dumb compared to stealth in any other game. Rather than getting in and out like a fuckin ghost with no one seeing you, it's more like getting in and out without raising any alarms, Bank heists usually go like this: Kill the 4 guards (mandatory(camera guy first if possible)), get all the civilians down by YELLING AT THEM VERY LOUDLY AND NOT STEALTHILY AT ALL, and then you either kill everyone or tie everyone down or just yell at everyone forever. I'd say shadow raid is the only proper stealth heist, where you really could get in and out with barely anyone noticing,but with the way stealth is designed in this game, where your only options are to hide behind shit and hope you don't get spotted or shoot a guy and bag him and hope his corpse doesn't get spotted it's kinda not really stealth in the traditional sense That being said, I haven't stealthed any of the newer content so who the fuck knows if they've improved at all