Stackbabbin' Bumscags

It doesn't count if it's white people oppressing others, since we're the natural rulers of the world. 

You've contradicted yourself.
 
Apartheid was a system put in place by the Dutch in South Africa. It wasn't a system of separation, it was objectively a system of oppression.
 
The Dutch were immigrants.
 
If you genuinely believe that Apartheid was a good thing, then by proxy you are saying that immigrants coming into a country and oppressing the native population through the enforcement of their own beliefs is a good thing.
 
So I guess you would be cool with immigrants coming in and implementing Sharia Law, correct?
 
But nah man, keep on posting your funny 4chan frog meme man!

That would be a snuff film

This isn't a game of Civ, life is not a "competition", yet somehow, we've managed to turn it into one.
"Nation-states" aren't going to work. We can see it now, the UK is scrambling to pick itself back up after Brexit, Israel and Pakistan have been in an uneasy state for quite some time, and it's highly obvious that our "nation of states" is starting to come apart at the seams. Quite frankly, it's high time to federalize the entire nation, no more "United States of America", just "America". You say that domestic politics is ugly, but politics between two different nations is far uglier.

"Acting with prudence" is not the promotion of one group over all others, acting with true prudence would be breaking down the barriers we've put between ourselves, stop thinking in terms of "blacks" and "whites", and cooperate as people. Instead, you only want to put up physical, geographical, and legal barriers, but also reinforce cultural ones. 
You still voted for him.

Regardless, you're set in your willful ignorance, and I'd likely be making greater use of my time by bashing my head into a wall repeatedly.
Your ideology has caused immense harm to many people, and will continue to do so until the movement itself dies out.
Be on the wrong side of history if you want, I'm tired of this "debate".

This isn't a game of Civ, life is not a "competition", yet somehow, we've managed to turn it into one.
"Nation-states" aren't going to work. We can see it now, the UK is scrambling to pick itself back up after Brexit, Israel and Pakistan have been in an uneasy state for quite some time, and it's highly obvious that our "nation of states" is starting to come apart at the seams. Quite frankly, it's high time to federalize the entire nation, no more "United States of America", just "America". You say that domestic politics is ugly, but politics between two different nations is far uglier.

"Acting with prudence" is not the promotion of one group over all others, acting with true prudence would be breaking down the barriers we've put between ourselves, stop thinking in terms of "blacks" and "whites", and cooperate as people. Instead, you only want to put up physical, geographical, and legal barriers, but also reinforce cultural ones. 
You still voted for him.

Regardless, you're set in your willful ignorance, and I'd likely be making greater use of my time by bashing my head into a wall repeatedly.
Your ideology has caused immense harm to many people, and will continue to do so until the movement itself dies out.
Be on the wrong side of history if you want, I'm tired of this "debate".

what am i getting wrong? it doesnt matter whatever bullshit reason you try to come up with to justify your vote for trump. the fact is that you knowingly voted for a bigot and helped put people who have openly expressed their hatred for everyone who isn't a straight white male into some of the most powerful positions in the country. because of your vote, you helped create a system that does not give a shit about the future of the world, the human rights of every minority, and the freedom for those people to express their thoughts and desires. all because you dont like white people not being in power, whatever that means.
 
its that simple. you can whine about me creating a strawman all you'd like, it doesnt change the fact that youre an idiot.
this is the correct and right way to think. too bad not everyone agrees with that.

The assumption that our concept of racism by definition is hating everyone and wanting to "give those fucking niggers their due" is also in some respects a straw man argument. You can be racist without having to be some kind of genocidal clan member caricature because systematic racism manifests itself in a multitude of extremely subtle ways and it's easy to buy into it in ways we don't even think about.
 
For instance, telling a black person they're well spoken because you assumed they wouldn't be
 
or making assumptions about the character of Mexican immigrants that you might not make about the character of European immigrants
 
or like, wholeheartedly believing you're in some kind of protracted race war taking place on a global scale in which everyone who isn't part of your ethnic is coming to destroy your way of life

Well, we truly are a diverse bunch, we now have an open white supremacist as part of our group.
Yay for us.

There's nothing further to discuss, your entire stance is based entirely off of bigotry, bullshit, and "I've got mine".
You don't actually counter with actual arguments, just "libs this" "libs that", and any time you do attempt to argue, it's the same old tired bullshit again and again.

So that's all this is about, keeping white people in power.
At least you finally just came out and said it.

There's a reason conservatives are a dying group.
Even with a Democratic presidency, you wouldn't have been "disarmed", you really think that We The People™ would simply let the 2nd Amendment go like that?
And, excuse me? "Genocidal freaks"? What the fuck are you even talking about? "Importing voters", that's not how this works.

And thanks to you, we're not going to "keep" our climate change, trans bathroom rights, or a bunch of other things.
Trump's cabinet appointments are all known anti-LGBTQ people, he's going to overturn pretty much every Executive Order that Obama gave, especially the ones protecting trans people. His Justices are going to overturn same-sex marriage as soon as a case gets accepted to the Supreme Court challenging it. He's got a climate-change denier as the head of the fucking Environmental Protection Agency, an absolute moron who could be Secretary of Education or Secretary of Health and Human Services, and the list goes on!
So, from the bottom of my heart, in the deepest pits of hell itself, Thank you for fucking over half this country based on absolute bullshit.

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. ... They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
Yeah, "doesn't see color".

i think you dropped this raison:
 

congratulations. you've lost the argument. you've already embarrassed yourself pitifully, but honestly, just walk away.
 
for what it's worth, a very brief summation of why your most dear beliefs are wrong on an axiomatic level:
 
there are nation-states for white ethnic groups. in fact, there's an entire continent you can fuck up like that if you so please. it's called europe. your race does not have the exclusive and sole right to authority over the world's third largest nation, especially not one that was taken only within the last four centuries or so by brutal genocide and conquest. every american citizen has the right to have their interests served by the state and white nationalism fails to account for that. if blacks, mexicans and other ethnic minorities are your enemies, then congratulations, you are literally a white supremacist. it really is that simple.

well hes not wrong.

So that's all this is about, keeping white people in power.
At least you finally just came out and said it.

And why would you expect Dems to just roll over and accept it when Repubs spent the entirety of Obama's presidency being obstructionist and otherwise doing much of the same thing that's happening now?

Show of hands here of anyone who said "We're glad you're dying out" "Die faster"?
Nobody? H-uh.

There's a reason conservatives are a dying group.
Even with a Democratic presidency, you wouldn't have been "disarmed", you really think that We The People™ would simply let the 2nd Amendment go like that?
And, excuse me? "Genocidal freaks"? What the fuck are you even talking about? "Importing voters", that's not how this works.

And thanks to you, we're not going to "keep" our climate change, trans bathroom rights, or a bunch of other things.
Trump's cabinet appointments are all known anti-LGBTQ people, he's going to overturn pretty much every Executive Order that Obama gave, especially the ones protecting trans people. His Justices are going to overturn same-sex marriage as soon as a case gets accepted to the Supreme Court challenging it. He's got a climate-change denier as the head of the fucking Environmental Protection Agency, an absolute moron who could be Secretary of Education or Secretary of Health and Human Services, and the list goes on!
So, from the bottom of my heart, in the deepest pits of hell itself, Thank you for fucking over half this country based on absolute bullshit.

you legitimately just need to stop talking. is that what you really think destroys a democracy? hitler was democratically elected. did germany devolve into nazism because of sore losers? 
 
and you better believe I'm exercising my second amendment right. donald trump has open contempt for democracy and private firearm ownership is one of the most important democratic institutions. he's advocated for disarming suspected criminals before with no trial or investigation. 
do you really think this is what's happening? that there are offices just filled with democrats around the country where they say "okay, we've been doing great importing these immigrants but I think we should aim for 10% growth this year"
 
the only people who can vote in our elections are united states citizens. if you aren't getting the most votes from united states citizens, tough fucking luck. if people aren't keen on your shit economic policy and fascist immigration plans, that's not a fault of democracy.
 
I'd just like to go ahead and point out that the electoral college was literally designed to stop donald trump from happening. in its original iteration, it would have done so. it had nothing to do with the balance of power between states and urban or rural areas -- that's what the senate is for, and each state gets an elector for each senator. but the winner-take-all system is a recent development and has to do strictly with game theory involving the two dominant parties. the winner-take-all system assures that while neither of them can win every election, third parties and unaffiliated candidates will never gain the slightest bit of traction.
 
here are some facts about the electoral college:
1. under the original plan, states weren't supposed to hold elections for president. they simply selected their electors (by the means of their choosing) and the electors voted independently of each other and independently of the electorate
 
2. under the original plan, donald trump never would have happened, because in general, any federal public official is presumed to be more educated and more intelligent than the average voter. and while they may not necessarily be more fit to choose the president than every single voter, they're doubtlessly more fit to choose him than trump voters. because electors were not allowed to hold public office and because they were so few in number, they were considered to be largely above the pathetic tactics that are used to win the presidency today: demagoguery, corruption, pandering, ignorance, etc. alexander hamilton:


 
3. let's be very clear: the electoral college was designed to disenfranchise voters. because while universal suffrage may be important to a democracy, direct election of the president is not. under the original plan, the electors could never disobey the popular vote because there was no popular vote. but today, remnants of the original plan still exist, such as faithless electors. I just want trump supporters to remember that when the electoral college convenes, most electors there have the legal option to cast their ballots for clinton, johnson, stein, etc. regardless of who their state voted for, and I'd argue that they even have something of an obligation to do so.
 
4. under the original plan, it was considered to be improbable that any candidate would sweep the electoral college majority more than perhaps once every few elections. and if a candidate managed to do so, they were considered to be the clear choice for president. this was because the electoral college itself was intended to be a check on parties (again, the electors themselves did not have any affiliation, nor any supposed obligation to vote in a specific way -- this was before the two parties managed to consolidate power in just about every state in the union). thus, there would generally be five or so people in reasonable contention for the presidency. even a candidate markedly more popular than the rest would only get, say, 40%, and the election would be decided by the house of representatives. this was considered to be a desirable outcome, given that representatives are, like electors, generally more intelligent and educated than trump voters, and they are both directly elected and directly representative of the country's population distribution. 
 
again, there are no laws on a federal level that actually require states to cast their ballots on a winner-take-all basis. it's a completely inane idea that more or less accounts to gerrymandering (albeit from a bottom-up perspective rather than top-down) and it inarguably accomplishes the exact same effect. in this election, over half of all ballots cast literally did not matter -- that is to say, three million people in california could have stayed home and no matter what the other states decided, it could not have possibly changed the election. four million people in texas could have stayed home and no matter what the other states decided, it could not have possibly changed the election. that is not democracy. the electoral college in its current state is an abomination; it was neutered when it should have been killed. it can no longer achieve its original purpose and functions now to simply consolidate power into the hands of the two major parties. if you defend it, do so only knowing that it was designed to keep you from voting, and reasonably so. 

If we have to keep the Electoral College, that's at least a better way of having it operate, the "winner take all" for Electoral Votes is utter bullshit.
However I still think it's an out-dated system that just needs to be retired.

And the Voter Rights Act being overturned didn't help anything to deal with the low voter turnout.
Because it was overturned, there were over 800 fewer polling places across the nation, and some states enacted stricter restrictions, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of people in Wisconsin alone being unable to vote. Who knows just how many people were either turned away or discouraged from voting because of these newer restrictions.

And the Voter Rights Act being overturned didn't help anything to deal with the low voter turnout.
Because it was overturned, there were over 800 fewer polling places across the nation, and some states enacted stricter restrictions, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of people in Wisconsin alone being unable to vote. Who knows just how many people were either turned away or discouraged from voting because of these newer restrictions.

And the Voter Rights Act being overturned didn't help anything to deal with the low voter turnout.
Because it was overturned, there were over 800 fewer polling places across the nation, and some states enacted stricter restrictions, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of people in Wisconsin alone being unable to vote. Who knows just how many people were either turned away or discouraged from voting because of these newer restrictions.

I'm more on that boat. The DNC did everything in thier power to get people to like Trump, thinking he would be an easy opponent to beat, and oush off Sanders, because he'd change too much.
 
Debbie Schultz accepted bribe after bribe to ensure that Clinton would win. Untold amounts of voter suppression, media control. Sanders even said he was getting blackmailed. Schultz quit her job as the head of the DNC to be in Clinton's cabinet. She was bought and paid for from the beginning.
 
Trump did what he did and it worked and I'm pissed about that. But I'm equally pissed that there was such deep corruption from the Democrats. It's just truly insane.