Teddster

conservatives have some pretty ass-backwards views, so them losing is an objectively good thing

It doesn't count if it's white people oppressing others, since we're the natural rulers of the world. 

You've contradicted yourself.
 
Apartheid was a system put in place by the Dutch in South Africa. It wasn't a system of separation, it was objectively a system of oppression.
 
The Dutch were immigrants.
 
If you genuinely believe that Apartheid was a good thing, then by proxy you are saying that immigrants coming into a country and oppressing the native population through the enforcement of their own beliefs is a good thing.
 
So I guess you would be cool with immigrants coming in and implementing Sharia Law, correct?
 
But nah man, keep on posting your funny 4chan frog meme man!

"haha I just called "human rights" a buzzword, man im so smart. i really dont understand why every minority disagrees with my superior world view."
 
-raison, getting his swastika tattoo. 

This isn't a game of Civ, life is not a "competition", yet somehow, we've managed to turn it into one.
"Nation-states" aren't going to work. We can see it now, the UK is scrambling to pick itself back up after Brexit, Israel and Pakistan have been in an uneasy state for quite some time, and it's highly obvious that our "nation of states" is starting to come apart at the seams. Quite frankly, it's high time to federalize the entire nation, no more "United States of America", just "America". You say that domestic politics is ugly, but politics between two different nations is far uglier.

"Acting with prudence" is not the promotion of one group over all others, acting with true prudence would be breaking down the barriers we've put between ourselves, stop thinking in terms of "blacks" and "whites", and cooperate as people. Instead, you only want to put up physical, geographical, and legal barriers, but also reinforce cultural ones. 
You still voted for him.

Regardless, you're set in your willful ignorance, and I'd likely be making greater use of my time by bashing my head into a wall repeatedly.
Your ideology has caused immense harm to many people, and will continue to do so until the movement itself dies out.
Be on the wrong side of history if you want, I'm tired of this "debate".

The assumption that our concept of racism by definition is hating everyone and wanting to "give those fucking niggers their due" is also in some respects a straw man argument. You can be racist without having to be some kind of genocidal clan member caricature because systematic racism manifests itself in a multitude of extremely subtle ways and it's easy to buy into it in ways we don't even think about.
 
For instance, telling a black person they're well spoken because you assumed they wouldn't be
 
or making assumptions about the character of Mexican immigrants that you might not make about the character of European immigrants
 
or like, wholeheartedly believing you're in some kind of protracted race war taking place on a global scale in which everyone who isn't part of your ethnic is coming to destroy your way of life

i think you dropped this raison:
 

congratulations. you've lost the argument. you've already embarrassed yourself pitifully, but honestly, just walk away.
 
for what it's worth, a very brief summation of why your most dear beliefs are wrong on an axiomatic level:
 
there are nation-states for white ethnic groups. in fact, there's an entire continent you can fuck up like that if you so please. it's called europe. your race does not have the exclusive and sole right to authority over the world's third largest nation, especially not one that was taken only within the last four centuries or so by brutal genocide and conquest. every american citizen has the right to have their interests served by the state and white nationalism fails to account for that. if blacks, mexicans and other ethnic minorities are your enemies, then congratulations, you are literally a white supremacist. it really is that simple.

well hes not wrong.

So that's all this is about, keeping white people in power.
At least you finally just came out and said it.

you legitimately just need to stop talking. is that what you really think destroys a democracy? hitler was democratically elected. did germany devolve into nazism because of sore losers? 
 
and you better believe I'm exercising my second amendment right. donald trump has open contempt for democracy and private firearm ownership is one of the most important democratic institutions. he's advocated for disarming suspected criminals before with no trial or investigation. 
do you really think this is what's happening? that there are offices just filled with democrats around the country where they say "okay, we've been doing great importing these immigrants but I think we should aim for 10% growth this year"
 
the only people who can vote in our elections are united states citizens. if you aren't getting the most votes from united states citizens, tough fucking luck. if people aren't keen on your shit economic policy and fascist immigration plans, that's not a fault of democracy.
 
I'd just like to go ahead and point out that the electoral college was literally designed to stop donald trump from happening. in its original iteration, it would have done so. it had nothing to do with the balance of power between states and urban or rural areas -- that's what the senate is for, and each state gets an elector for each senator. but the winner-take-all system is a recent development and has to do strictly with game theory involving the two dominant parties. the winner-take-all system assures that while neither of them can win every election, third parties and unaffiliated candidates will never gain the slightest bit of traction.
 
here are some facts about the electoral college:
1. under the original plan, states weren't supposed to hold elections for president. they simply selected their electors (by the means of their choosing) and the electors voted independently of each other and independently of the electorate
 
2. under the original plan, donald trump never would have happened, because in general, any federal public official is presumed to be more educated and more intelligent than the average voter. and while they may not necessarily be more fit to choose the president than every single voter, they're doubtlessly more fit to choose him than trump voters. because electors were not allowed to hold public office and because they were so few in number, they were considered to be largely above the pathetic tactics that are used to win the presidency today: demagoguery, corruption, pandering, ignorance, etc. alexander hamilton:


 
3. let's be very clear: the electoral college was designed to disenfranchise voters. because while universal suffrage may be important to a democracy, direct election of the president is not. under the original plan, the electors could never disobey the popular vote because there was no popular vote. but today, remnants of the original plan still exist, such as faithless electors. I just want trump supporters to remember that when the electoral college convenes, most electors there have the legal option to cast their ballots for clinton, johnson, stein, etc. regardless of who their state voted for, and I'd argue that they even have something of an obligation to do so.
 
4. under the original plan, it was considered to be improbable that any candidate would sweep the electoral college majority more than perhaps once every few elections. and if a candidate managed to do so, they were considered to be the clear choice for president. this was because the electoral college itself was intended to be a check on parties (again, the electors themselves did not have any affiliation, nor any supposed obligation to vote in a specific way -- this was before the two parties managed to consolidate power in just about every state in the union). thus, there would generally be five or so people in reasonable contention for the presidency. even a candidate markedly more popular than the rest would only get, say, 40%, and the election would be decided by the house of representatives. this was considered to be a desirable outcome, given that representatives are, like electors, generally more intelligent and educated than trump voters, and they are both directly elected and directly representative of the country's population distribution. 
 
again, there are no laws on a federal level that actually require states to cast their ballots on a winner-take-all basis. it's a completely inane idea that more or less accounts to gerrymandering (albeit from a bottom-up perspective rather than top-down) and it inarguably accomplishes the exact same effect. in this election, over half of all ballots cast literally did not matter -- that is to say, three million people in california could have stayed home and no matter what the other states decided, it could not have possibly changed the election. four million people in texas could have stayed home and no matter what the other states decided, it could not have possibly changed the election. that is not democracy. the electoral college in its current state is an abomination; it was neutered when it should have been killed. it can no longer achieve its original purpose and functions now to simply consolidate power into the hands of the two major parties. if you defend it, do so only knowing that it was designed to keep you from voting, and reasonably so. 

And the Voter Rights Act being overturned didn't help anything to deal with the low voter turnout.
Because it was overturned, there were over 800 fewer polling places across the nation, and some states enacted stricter restrictions, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of people in Wisconsin alone being unable to vote. Who knows just how many people were either turned away or discouraged from voting because of these newer restrictions.

Trump really is uniquely unqualified to be president. We've had bad presidents before but Trump is legitimately fucking terrifying. He's a loose cannon who more or less believes in using overwhelming force to crush his enemies (this is well-established in his shady business practices and his tendency to come after people with his team of crack lawyers), but this time, his enemies are the American people at large. We know this to be the case because the American people at large did not elect him, and he's been open about curtailing free speech and civil liberties for just about anyone he deems to be an enemy of the state (or, more accurately, a critic of his regime). The president really does have a fuckton of power, equal to at least 1/3 of Congress, which -- by the way -- is controlled by the people nearest to being his ideological allies. Let's not forget that the biggest threats to humanity today could potentially wipe us out within the century, none of them are ISIS or even tangentially related to Islam, and they've all been completely ignored or outright denied by Trump. He's going to choose at least one supreme court justice, the heads of several federal agencies, he's going to have authority over both the military and our nuclear arsenal and you can rest assured that he's not going to get any more intelligent within the next month. We already have extrajudicial killings going on daily both at home and abroad, despite crime rates being at an all time low and there not being a single credible threat to our national security, but Trump has advocated for the expansion of the military both overseas and within our borders. Unless by some turn of events he hits a very late puberty and grows the fuck up, we are more or less guaranteed to have the worst four years since the civil war but, owing to the increasing consolidation of power occurring both under the status quo and under the new authoritarian regime, these four years might very well be our last.
 
But hey, anyone who didn't vote for him is just a PC policeman hurt feelings liberal who wants to fill our country with Mexicans and institute Sharia law, am I right?

Caveson, your thoughts are frankly fucking stupid.
 
If you think Trump gives half a flying fuck about small businesses and the "common man", you haven't been paying attention to his entire career as a businessman. There's a fun documentary that illustrates this I can't remember the name of. You can probably find it by googling "Trump fucks Scotland" or something similar.
 
Edit: in fact, I did it for you. The name of the documentary is "You've Been Trumped". And yes, that plus the word documentary is what I typed into google.
 
And if you're saying saying shit like "I'm not transphobic" while using phrases like "Some fucking tranny", you're either hilariously unself-aware or lying.
 
That whole rant is based on misinformation and deflecting based on that same old bullshit "Well I would have voted for someone else but you called me a racist so..." line. No, you wouldn't have, you fucking liar, you voted the exact same way you were ALWAYS going to vote and crying that somebody hurt your widdle feelings by calling you a racist just makes you look like a spiteful god damned pansy.
 
Just own up to the fact that you voted for the man because he pandered to your crowd and you liked what you heard, because there's no way you ACTUALLY BELIEVE his "I'm anti-establishment for the people" tripe unless you have deliberately avoided learning ANYTHING about the man and how he operates.
 
There's very little chance he's the next coming of Hitler but the BEST case scenario is he's an ineffectual buffoon who parades around with Pence's hand up his ass for the next 4-8 years, and all the informed voters who swung his way are in the know on that. If you actually bought into the rhetoric, I'm sad for you but you had a long ass time to educate yourself and claiming you voted for him just because other people said bad things about him or you makes you look like a fucking idiot.

other than john caveson, is anyone else here both dumb enough and old enough to vote for trump? I'm trying to put together a list of the people responsible for this bullshit

sure! kinda like how ebola is a teeny weeny lil guy but if he works real hard and never gives up on his dreams someday he'll find a way kill the fuck out of a whole bunch of giant scary people

The casual matchmaking is without hyperbole the single worst thing Valve has ever done to TF2
 
If it does not get straight up removed, this will be the thing that kills TF2

​No. Fuck off.
It's not "the Muslim world."
It's a bunch of lunatics.
And people calling Islam as a whole, or the Muslim world, responsible for this is why more people become jaded and join these lunatic movements.
Because assholes say shit like this and propagate the cycle.
I reiterate: Fuck off.

Gonna jump in here; I really hate it when people complain about things costing money in tf2.
Valve needs to make money, they are a company. And the way they have used tf2 to make money is, in my opinion, still one of the best pay models in any game. After the original premium upgrade (which people pay a whopping 5 bucks for mind you, I paid 20 back in the day) there is nothing you can't do in tf2 if you do not want to invest money further, all money goes to cosmetics. They have jumped over this line a few times like with impossible crafting recipes and that one christmas update where it took like a month before the new weapons became craftable, but as it is now you get everything in tf2 that actually influences the gameplay without ever having to pay more than those original five bucks. You want all the weapons? They cost a scrap to trade. You want to play MvM? Boot camp is the exact same thing, only you don't get a cosmetic at the end.
Compare this to games like Tribes Ascend who had you grinding for hours if you wanted a single new weapon without buying it and who nerfed new weapons into the ground after them being broken overpowered for the early sales, or Quake Live who only lets you access specific servers and gamemodes if you buy Gold. TF2 has a crapton of gripes and I completely understand anyone who dropped it due to the community server drama, developers not communicating, or the artstyle being utterly ruined (although you'd be several years late with that one), but if you drop it because holy shit a company wants to make money? Grow up and get real.

​you and frozenfirebug are about to trigger my aspergers
might I suggest reddit?

​A dramatic re-enactment of Magickus' last day here.

AND THE WINNER IS:
 
BILL MURRAY

 

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