The TF2 community and the COD community are pretty much the same in many, many aspects. The calling people noobs, people actually cheating, people being accused of cheating when they're playing legit, people using OP weapons, etc. All the negatives are on both communities and both have a terrible reputation (you can't honestly tell me that the TF2 community as a whole has a good or even decent reputation). The thing is though, both have large parts of the communities that are great with pretty much nothing but positives.For gameplay, the game might not be your sort of game, you might not like it but that doesn't make it a bad game. That just makes it a game that you aren't interested in playing. If it was a bad game then it wouldn't be selling nearly as much as it is. The excuses "it's for the noobs" is just a terrible, baseless attempt at an argument that shows you have no actual argument other than the game not being to your tastes.For me, the COD games are better than the Counter Strike ones. I love watching CS tournaments and such with commentators but it's a game I can't get interested in while playing. COD on the other hand is something I can watch and play. COD is actually better for me than TF2 these days since I dislike how TF2 went from the Engineer update onwards, it's a great game though, I just have my preferences. All games mentioned there take skill to play and in all games, if you're playing against new or bad players then you're going to do well enough if you're decent at FPS games in general. Many seem to forget that when it comes to a game they dislike.For whoever said grenades kill instantly in COD, they only do that if you stand on top of or right next to one that goes off and even then, if you have the perk Blast Shield then it'll only damage you, not kill you so long as you aren't on top of it. Quick Scoping is actually a skill regardless of how easy you may find it. If you want to have fun at a game like COD then you have to play it a bit, unlock some things, create some custom classes, thinking carefully about what you put into those classes taking into consideration your playing style and what you want to achieve and then in game you have the challenge of making sure you rack up high point streaks. You still may not enjoy it but give something more than a few matches before judging it.COD isn't my favourite FPS series, just one I happen to enjoy playing. Also, just ignore text chat in COD games on PC. It's a series that should only have voice chat as a method of communication. I own this game on the Xbox 360 and gave the PC version a go and I'm fairly tempted to buy it on PC. I doubt I will since I already have it but it's solid nonetheless so long as you don't have people cheating in your game.I'm far more open minded to things these days, I dislike this whole "I don't like this so it sucks" and refusal to accept something you dislike can be good.Here's a little video of some decent gameplay if you're interested. And just because he got a flawless game doesn't make it easy, he's just got a knack for the game. Oh and the nube tube is not rage inducing at all in MW3. It's been nerfed so much from previous iterations that it's actually more insulting to be killed by one than anything. What is rage inducing however is Akimbo FMG9s which need to be nerfed to hell since they have no downside and kill anything instantly (aside from that, everything is pretty balanced). If you want to go around causing some rage, equip yourself with a Striker shotgun as your primary with grip, Akimbo FMG9s as your secondary, semtex as your lethal, concussion grenades as your tactical, blind eye, assassin and dead silence as your perks and last stand as your death streak. You will cause rage with that.A long post but this thread lacked reasonable and open minded comments. I think I saw ones of that type by 2 people and that was it.