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it's called that because consoles need to ketchup

PC Mustard Race?

While it is obviously impossible for us regular users to make a 100% correct prediction regarding this stuff, Valve have been pretty outspoken during the several beta years of Dota 2 regarding the subject. I think it is safe to assume that we won't be getting a ladder system any time soon. I am afraid I do not have the sources, but "a ladder system" is a topic that appears regularly on the dev forum and I recall multiple occasions, where a Valve employee stepped in and said "It's currently not on our priority list". As for reasons why, I could not tell you. I cannot remember if they ever gave a clear cut reason for it. Some obvious assumptions would be the added elitism that comes with a ladder system. I do not care what anyone says, ranking systems WILL spawn elitism. It has happened in literally every single other game with rankings, some games worse than others. I think the most relevant example I can provide is Heroes of Newerth, the closest "succesor" to the original DotA. That game had ranking systems and my god was it a horrible experience to play. The picking phase was constant flaming and constant arguing about who got to play XYZ role, because obviously the people with a higher rating would be better suited for carrying, yeah right. I'm not entirely opposed of a ranking system in Dota 2. As in, an individual ranking system (We already have a ranking system in TMM). My two major concerns are: A: The added elitism, as mentioned above B: I have yet to see a dota-like game do a competent equation for calculating "ELO". There are -A LOT- of factors that need to be counted in before you get something even remotely reliable and I just cannot imagine a system that can calculate things in a manner that is fair to every role and every type of player. Never say never when it comes to this stuff, because who knows what Valve are planning "behind the scenes". Based on previous statements and actions (Such as dismantling DBR), I don't think any sort of official, individual skill calculator is on its way.

8:19 PM - stamda: i'm dying

generic mustard looks like hes behind in the race hed better ketchup OH FUCK IT ALL RAZ

I've been having a little debate with myself: I mayo may not join in the pun the rest of you seem to be in.

Well, clearly you need to get some better condiments because that weaksauce ain't helping.

League did it just fine with their elo system before they removed it and replaced it with the League system (to appeal to fucking babies who didn't want to know how good they were) The thing about team-based games is that each player has 9 random variables each game. When you start to play more games, they average out and give you a more accurate result. This is a core principle of modern statistics that provides no real obstacle to all but the least competent of people.

Me watching this is Wulff's fault. Somehow.

That's right Rammite, give him the ol' salt and vinegar.

oh sure, pepper us with excuses

Huff: oh god I am dying

We're not pesto point where I can dip in and share some saucy puns, right?

this thread pickled my brain

in heinzsight this thread was going to derail pretty quickly wasn't it

Something something relish all these puns.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=201071408 Well then. Excitement increases.

They really escaped by the skin of spy's teeth, yeah

golurk and bisharp also this needs to be a thing