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you legitimately just need to stop talking. is that what you really think destroys a democracy? hitler was democratically elected. did germany devolve into nazism because of sore losers? and you better believe I'm exercising my second amendment right. donald trump has open contempt for democracy and private firearm ownership is one of the most important democratic institutions. he's advocated for disarming suspected criminals before with no trial or investigation. do you really think this is what's happening? that there are offices just filled with democrats around the country where they say "okay, we've been doing great importing these immigrants but I think we should aim for 10% growth this year" the only people who can vote in our elections are united states citizens. if you aren't getting the most votes from united states citizens, tough fucking luck. if people aren't keen on your shit economic policy and fascist immigration plans, that's not a fault of democracy. I'd just like to go ahead and point out that the electoral college was literally designed to stop donald trump from happening. in its original iteration, it would have done so. it had nothing to do with the balance of power between states and urban or rural areas -- that's what the senate is for, and each state gets an elector for each senator. but the winner-take-all system is a recent development and has to do strictly with game theory involving the two dominant parties. the winner-take-all system assures that while neither of them can win every election, third parties and unaffiliated candidates will never gain the slightest bit of traction. here are some facts about the electoral college: 1. under the original plan, states weren't supposed to hold elections for president. they simply selected their electors (by the means of their choosing) and the electors voted independently of each other and independently of the electorate 2. under the original plan, donald trump never would have happened, because in general, any federal public official is presumed to be more educated and more intelligent than the average voter. and while they may not necessarily be more fit to choose the president than every single voter, they're doubtlessly more fit to choose him than trump voters. because electors were not allowed to hold public office and because they were so few in number, they were considered to be largely above the pathetic tactics that are used to win the presidency today: demagoguery, corruption, pandering, ignorance, etc. alexander hamilton: 3. let's be very clear: the electoral college was designed to disenfranchise voters. because while universal suffrage may be important to a democracy, direct election of the president is not. under the original plan, the electors could never disobey the popular vote because there was no popular vote. but today, remnants of the original plan still exist, such as faithless electors. I just want trump supporters to remember that when the electoral college convenes, most electors there have the legal option to cast their ballots for clinton, johnson, stein, etc. regardless of who their state voted for, and I'd argue that they even have something of an obligation to do so. 4. under the original plan, it was considered to be improbable that any candidate would sweep the electoral college majority more than perhaps once every few elections. and if a candidate managed to do so, they were considered to be the clear choice for president. this was because the electoral college itself was intended to be a check on parties (again, the electors themselves did not have any affiliation, nor any supposed obligation to vote in a specific way -- this was before the two parties managed to consolidate power in just about every state in the union). thus, there would generally be five or so people in reasonable contention for the presidency. even a candidate markedly more popular than the rest would only get, say, 40%, and the election would be decided by the house of representatives. this was considered to be a desirable outcome, given that representatives are, like electors, generally more intelligent and educated than trump voters, and they are both directly elected and directly representative of the country's population distribution. again, there are no laws on a federal level that actually require states to cast their ballots on a winner-take-all basis. it's a completely inane idea that more or less accounts to gerrymandering (albeit from a bottom-up perspective rather than top-down) and it inarguably accomplishes the exact same effect. in this election, over half of all ballots cast literally did not matter -- that is to say, three million people in california could have stayed home and no matter what the other states decided, it could not have possibly changed the election. four million people in texas could have stayed home and no matter what the other states decided, it could not have possibly changed the election. that is not democracy. the electoral college in its current state is an abomination; it was neutered when it should have been killed. it can no longer achieve its original purpose and functions now to simply consolidate power into the hands of the two major parties. if you defend it, do so only knowing that it was designed to keep you from voting, and reasonably so.

i think you dropped this raison:

well hes not wrong.

Guilty as charged, I'm a bit happy my guy won, but can you blame me? If he didn't pull through, that's it, lights out for conservatives for all eternity. I'm happy that there's at least a chance now that we won't be disarmed and diluted by the Democrats. Genocidal freaks honestly, I hope the Democrat party crashes and burns and instead of importing voters starts trying to convert them. You can keep your gay marriage, climate change, tranny bathroom, abortion crap, I really don't care. And yes, we have won. If enough electors vote against their state residence's wishes in an election like this to swing the election they'll be found and strung up from lampposts. They know it. And there it is. If you give even the slightest resistance, the liberal will openly admit he's happy to genocide you if you push him enough, because of "muh wrong side of history." You're a sick fucking puppy you know that right?

a pathetic argument from a pitiful ideological basis. congratulations, discontent with present circumstances and pervasive ignorance were able to mobilize enough of your delusional brethren to in a day set our country back years. but no matter, the tide of social progress is unstoppable. you'd better pray that trump declares martial law and cancels the next election, because your comrades are dying off by the day, and soon enough, when unemployment skyrockets under a homogeneously republican administration, cletus and mabel aren't going to be on your side anymore. you, as do your allies in congress and your despicable president-elect, display open and unashamed contempt for democracy. but I've got some bad news for you: after four years of trump, you're still going to be unhappy, you're still going to be unsuccessful, and you're still going to externalize all of your problems onto vulnerable demographic groups. four more years of regress beyond that won't change reality either. you are on the wrong side of history and you will be dragged kicking and screaming into the twenty-first century. of course, it is entirely possible that you are happy and successful -- I'm sure some republicans are -- but then why would one support the GOP? I suppose the answer to that lies in willful ignorance and gross delusion -- perhaps a more shameful alternative. no matter. although it is not without oscillation, progress comes and it won't be stopped. and although you may not have it that it would come through democracy, worry not -- it will come. of course, when that happens, if you don't want to live in a liberal democracy, there are still conservative strongholds on the planet that won't change any time soon. saudi arabia, russia, cuba, just to name a few. I think you'll like it there.

I don't, what gave you that idea? However, Republicans are in a very good position right now. Both chambers of Congress, the White House, the Supreme Court, and about 2 state legislatures away from constitutional amendments. You can try to put up a fight, I wholeheartedly expect you too, but I don't think it'll do much good. We'll see.

heres the finished Miles Davis, forgot to post him and heres the start of a pic of Tom Waits

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. ... They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." Yeah, "doesn't see color".

congratulations. you've lost the argument. you've already embarrassed yourself pitifully, but honestly, just walk away. for what it's worth, a very brief summation of why your most dear beliefs are wrong on an axiomatic level: there are nation-states for white ethnic groups. in fact, there's an entire continent you can fuck up like that if you so please. it's called europe. your race does not have the exclusive and sole right to authority over the world's third largest nation, especially not one that was taken only within the last four centuries or so by brutal genocide and conquest. every american citizen has the right to have their interests served by the state and white nationalism fails to account for that. if blacks, mexicans and other ethnic minorities are your enemies, then congratulations, you are literally a white supremacist. it really is that simple.

So that's all this is about, keeping white people in power. At least you finally just came out and said it.

Trump won white Millennials by, I think 5 points? Hardly old.

What, did you not read Verumae LARPing as the march of progress gleefully describing how "your comrades are dying off by the day"?

Show of hands here of anyone who said "We're glad you're dying out" "Die faster"? Nobody? H-uh.

Astounding how fast libs change their tune from "The electoral college is wrong, here's why" to "I'm glad you're dying out." They don't even bother to argue. The mask slips and they show their true colors. "JUST LET US DISPOSSESS YOU" they screech, "DIE FASTER YOU FUCKING REPUBLICAN." The left is evil.

There's a reason conservatives are a dying group. Even with a Democratic presidency, you wouldn't have been "disarmed", you really think that We The People™ would simply let the 2nd Amendment go like that? And, excuse me? "Genocidal freaks"? What the fuck are you even talking about? "Importing voters", that's not how this works. And thanks to you, we're not going to "keep" our climate change, trans bathroom rights, or a bunch of other things. Trump's cabinet appointments are all known anti-LGBTQ people, he's going to overturn pretty much every Executive Order that Obama gave, especially the ones protecting trans people. His Justices are going to overturn same-sex marriage as soon as a case gets accepted to the Supreme Court challenging it. He's got a climate-change denier as the head of the fucking Environmental Protection Agency, an absolute moron who could be Secretary of Education or Secretary of Health and Human Services, and the list goes on! So, from the bottom of my heart, in the deepest pits of hell itself, Thank you for fucking over half this country based on absolute bullshit.

this is pathetic. you are an embarrassment to your country and even your party. when did I imply anything about genocide? what aspect of liberalism supports genocide? what form of genocide specifically targets fascists? but yes, rest assured, I'm armed and your man crush isn't going to change that. with that said, someone in this thread actually is advocating for violence to achieve a political end: furthermore, you seem to think that this election is some kind of war, except you're literally at war with a majority of the american people: it's embarrassing enough that you think donald trump actually represents your own interest. "you" might have "won" but I can assure you, everybody lost. that includes you. and you're going to keep losing, in life, in elections, and in internet arguments if you come at me swinging with the ideological might of an elementary school student.

And why would you expect Dems to just roll over and accept it when Repubs spent the entirety of Obama's presidency being obstructionist and otherwise doing much of the same thing that's happening now?

Dems have been gushing about their "Emerging Democratic Majority" for decades. The last time a Republican won the popular vote was in 2004, by a hair. I don't really care about your explanation because I just don't care how the electoral college was designed to work. De facto, it helps Republicans win. Why would I go against that, why would I actively work to harm my interest? "Fairness"? Don't make me fucking laugh. We won, you lost. The losers don't get to dictate the peace terms.

The only sane option for Republicans is to keep the electoral college, as long as the Democrats import their third-worlders it's the only way the Republicans have a chance. You don't get to import tens of millions of voters then bitch they only conquer like 3 states. Should've enriched the Rust Belt some more, eh? Remove all sanctuary cities, deport all illegals, slap an immigration moratorium down and then maybe we can start talking about it. Until then, don't expect Republicans to assist you in hastening our demise.

If we have to keep the Electoral College, that's at least a better way of having it operate, the "winner take all" for Electoral Votes is utter bullshit. However I still think it's an out-dated system that just needs to be retired.

These anti-Trump riots are really givin me a giggle. "I HATE TRUMP SO I'M GONNA FUCK UP REPUBLICAN STRONGHOLDS LIKE PORTLAND, NEW YORK, LA, ATLANTA, AND SAN FRANCISCO" I'm sure you're truly inconveniencing the combined 73 Republicans in those cities. Hope they start loading live ammo soon, regardless.