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can confirm a good time, less autism than expected overall (until i came along of course) 8/10 experience.

Gonna jump in here; I really hate it when people complain about things costing money in tf2. Valve needs to make money, they are a company. And the way they have used tf2 to make money is, in my opinion, still one of the best pay models in any game. After the original premium upgrade (which people pay a whopping 5 bucks for mind you, I paid 20 back in the day) there is nothing you can't do in tf2 if you do not want to invest money further, all money goes to cosmetics. They have jumped over this line a few times like with impossible crafting recipes and that one christmas update where it took like a month before the new weapons became craftable, but as it is now you get everything in tf2 that actually influences the gameplay without ever having to pay more than those original five bucks. You want all the weapons? They cost a scrap to trade. You want to play MvM? Boot camp is the exact same thing, only you don't get a cosmetic at the end. Compare this to games like Tribes Ascend who had you grinding for hours if you wanted a single new weapon without buying it and who nerfed new weapons into the ground after them being broken overpowered for the early sales, or Quake Live who only lets you access specific servers and gamemodes if you buy Gold. TF2 has a crapton of gripes and I completely understand anyone who dropped it due to the community server drama, developers not communicating, or the artstyle being utterly ruined (although you'd be several years late with that one), but if you drop it because holy shit a company wants to make money? Grow up and get real.

​I apologize for getting emotional; there was just something in old TF2 that clicked with me, and I'm sad to see it ruined. Money makes for a good scapegoat, but it is not the cause of all troubles. Valve needs to make money, otherwise there's no point in running TF2 anymore. But people are mad at Valve for making money off a game, not just because they hate big mean greedy, but because the money is being made off of the cosmetic "Mini-game" of TF2, rather than the game itself. While it's true that everything affecting gameplay costs very little, it is also true that Valve puts the majority of their effort into things that aren't free. Things that are cosmetic after all, but still take away the focus of the real game. If every player looked at the game objectively like you and I do, they would see no reason to pay more than five bucks on the game. This fact is not obvious, however, as Valve has put a lot of effort into making people want stuff that doesn't affect the game. To many, Team Fortress 2 is a Hat and Item Collector first, and a Shooter Game second. As a result, even though the cosmetics don't affect gameplay mechanics, they affect the experience through the interactions of the userbase, most of whom are concerned more about their item drop limit than the enemy spies. I've talked about Valve "Ruining the game" with the MvM update, but I never really explained myself past "Money = Bad rite." The reason, was that Mvm was a big chance to revive TF2. People were trying to restore faith after the Pyromania Update, which was a lot of hype for just a few weapons, a shitty map, a dumb gimmick that everyone forgot about after a couple of days, and of course, hats. People were starting to think that Valve cared more about money than providing interesting gameplay, which was evident through their cash-cowing of the whole "Pyrovision" featured in Meet the Pyro. With MvM, people were getting very hyped to play a huge new gamemode, and many saw it as the return of the ingenious creative spark that seemed to leave TF2. However, when the update hit, the MvM gamemode was added with an important distinction - A paid tour that nets you better servers, better players, and a item rewards. As Jordax said, this split the playerbase between the people playing Boot Camp, and the people playing ToD. Sure, it's still the same game in Boot Camp, but the people who are serious about it are going to go into the paid mode, and you'll be left with incompetent noobs and people who don't take it seriously. Valve did everything they could to make Boot Camp as watered-down of an experience as they could compared to ToD - You can get put in a community server with godmode admins! This was unlike any other gamemode, any other gamemode is free to experience for any player, but the real experience of MvM is locked behind a paywall - Kinda like that Quake Live stuff, you have to pay Gold to be able to enjoy it. MvM was the last hope - This was Valve's secret project for years, and the big reveal was yet another way to nickle and dime their most loyal customers. It was confirmation that, no matter was was done to TF2 in the future, it would have a new distraction added to it. Just look at the new Gun Mettle Update - Tons of pics and info about COSMETIC and NON-GAMEPLAY affecting gunskins upfront, and the stuff that actually AFFECTS THE GAME on Page 2, after the fact. It's a Cosmetic update with a gameplay update attached, and that's similar to what TF2 is now - A cosmetic item collect-a-thon with a Shooter Game on the side. People are mad at Valve, not because they want to make money, but because they want to make money off of a cherished game's demise.

​ ​>he uses any voip other than mumble lmao ​xD ​

Wicket and I have discussed about having a subSPUF mumble again multiple times and now I'm thinking about doing it on a dedicated machine. One of the issues we had with previous attempts was a lack of use. It mainly seems like people don't use it because it's never populated to begin with. If we were to have this back, would you even use it? I went and made it. IP: 74.88.229.133 Port: 64738 Password: spufpowered

I prefer the Shakespeare version.

ok folks, this latest bullshit update made me die inside so I cleaned out my backpack of shit I don't wear near constantly, don't shoot people with, and aren't gifts. Here's what I found, and you can have it. Just take a sensible amount before coming back for more. Items with colored squares surrounding them have conditions or trivia about them. A universal request is not to trade or sell anything unless it's marked with an X, though who cares what you do with halloween stuff Blue-Outlined Gibus was originally to be used in No Relaxe Part 3 as Famine's hat! What a rare SPUF collector's item!!! Tin Man set was used in the Robots vs Pirates War! Pirates were bullshit shitters!

I disagree that Valve puts the most time in the things that cost money. Looking at this update, the actual paid stuff was basically extra achievements and a bunch of new textures, while that enormous list of balance patches definitely weren't just made up on the fly. As for MvM, I never experienced it in the way you did to be honest. That is probably because I got super lucky, and cmndr was based enough to get us a private subspuf bootcamp server. I also played a ton of Mann Up and to me, the update was a huge success. Cosmetics being pushed I agree on, the latest update page is the perfect example of that. I personally don't mind it that much though, seeing as the balance patch was everything I could have hoped for. Once contracts actually work (lol) I will probably try it out, mostly because I think valve deserved some money for this last update.

​Oh wow. Did he fell for the chinese 'totally has 128GBs' flash drive? I read about it sometime ago, its a almost empty case with some weights inside and a really small storage card, that runs a mode that deletes stuff as you add it, so it looks like it holds a lot of stuff, but actually it already deleted everything but the last 100mb.

​ ​>he uses any voip other than mumble lmao ​xD ​ ​

​ ​>he uses any voip other than mumble lmao ​xD ​

Friendly Reminder that the class updates, at the time, "ruined the game forever" too. They're remembered fondly, but people forget that most of those things were busted, broken, or underpowered on release.

​One of the main gripes of MvM is, how it in my opinion split up the playerbase. The people who had money to spend for Mann Up tickets soon only played MvM Mann Up Mode with other people that paid for tickets, while they left their old communities focused on battling each other, behind. What didn't help either is that those also tended to be the more skilled players of the community, which eventually caused little communities to collapse due to the playerbase of those communities falling apart. What it also created, was a massive influx of elitism in the community over it. If you didn't have enough MvM experience for a Mann Up game, you would get scolded by the people who had 50 tours finished and probably kicked. Yet another problem in this is, how Valve probably noticed how they could get away with overpricing stuff, because gullible newbies would buy weapons from the Mann Co Store regardless. Hence is why the overpriced, 10 euro-costing Plognisator hit the Top 10 Best Sellers in the Mann Co Store for a seriously long fucking time. And this would have given Valve the memo that they can better pander to the new gullible idiots instead of the old community who would just craft the new weapons. If we look at an economical standpoint, Valve is probably raking in more cash now than at the start of the F2P Update. Losing the old guard of the community, or seeing entire communities flunk out doesn't hurt Valve's wallet if some kids on their parents credit cards keep buying up overpriced weapons from the Mann Co Store. We aren't the intended crowd for TF2 anymore in Valve's eyes. The intended crowd are the uninformed newbies who will buy overpriced crap from the Mann Co Store, along with the horde of elitists or traders who keep buying Mann Up Tickets or keys.

If I ever start drawing something I'll post it here, that doesn't mean I'll finish it. Even though I really should. Until I find the other things I have done over time, have a tribute to one of the best covers ever done for our favourite heroes for hire.